can a guard dog participate in a dog show?

by Scott on July 27, 2010

my friend and i were arguing about dog shows. she said in order for your dog to be in dog show, it has to be perfectly trained, well mannered and submissive.
but…if you have guard dogs, trained to attack anyone/anything that is a threat to its territory or master, (not in a bad way) can it still be in dog shows? cant it understand and behave in shows? my friend thinks the dog would attack the other dogs or people…
but cant a guard dog be in show too?
thanks

(p.s. i always see rottweilers and german shepherds specially trained to attack and guard, but yet they are champ dog show winners too..so…???)


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Juno July 27, 2010 at 2:50 am

I don’t know about a guard dog…Guard dogs are specifically trained to protect. Depending on where he/she was trained, the trainer might have done a good job. Show dogs are handled constantly, by the owner and the judges. If the judge approaches the owner and the dog so much as growls, the owner will be dismissed from the competition. A lot of time and money is invested in a show dog. They are trained only to show. Their appearance and stance matter also. A dog must have clean teeth, ears, eyes, coat, and nails. The judges inspect every inch if the dog, touching, grabbing, checking the mouth, sticking their fingers in the ears…and the dog must be intact. It cannot be altered in any way, spayed or neutered. The dogs need to be perfect. I don’t think a guard dog would be a good show dog.

brentbiker109 July 27, 2010 at 2:50 am

yes you are aloud to have guard breeds in dog shows and the reason they dont attack is 1 they are trained extremely well 2 they have that bred out of them or 3 because they are very smart and know when to react only when needed

Kathleen July 27, 2010 at 2:50 am

A show dog cannot be trained to sit for one thing. You don’t want a judge coming up to look at it and have it sit because that’s what you’ve trained it to do.

Plus show dogs must be extremely well-socialized or they will be disqualified. They must be the best of the best, including temperament.

How do you train a dog to attack someone, but not in a bad way? You must mean something other than attack then, because it really only has one meaning.

Real Deal CowGirl July 27, 2010 at 2:50 am

if you have a PROFESSIONALLY trained dog,who is well socialized and WELL trained,by someone who KNOWS what theyre doing ONLY to attack on command,then yes they could,if its just some dog that some bozo got and trained to attack,then no,its not safe.

Troll Police Dogs July 27, 2010 at 2:50 am

Yes, but there are SO many other components first.

Keira July 27, 2010 at 2:50 am

ya they can. all breeds can come to the dog show. just before you enter him you train him to your best

abbyful July 27, 2010 at 2:50 am

Conformation dogs don’t have to be "perfectly trained" (as in they don’t need to know a bunch of different commands). They are judged on how well they match the breed standard, not on their training. Though some training is required so the dog will properly stack, gait, and be examined by the judge.

But there’s often a split between "show" and "working" dogs. There shouldn’t be, but there is. A lot of the conformation breeders don’t put working ability as a priority.

A properly trained dog won’t "attack everything". Do you see police dogs randomly attacking people? Nope, only when commanded or when the situation arises they need to take action.

ADD:
Show dogs can indeed be trained to sit! It’s not ideal for them to sit in the ring, but that doesn’t mean they can’t know the command.
I simply tell my dog during conformation judging to "stand".
There are many "dual-purpose" dogs that do both conformation and other events such as agility, obedience, field trials, etc.
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sickbxy July 27, 2010 at 2:50 am

I personally know many k9 police working dogs who are also family pets, good with kids and able to roam and play at the lake off lead and the campground celebrity. Working dogs are not a kill anyone dog, they are often controlled and will only bite on command or in the line of duty. They can be protective around their territory (ie. police car) but that is part of their job, they are working. I’ve also know police dogs who can be bossy and picky as to who they like, I would say I wouldn’t want to risk a judge getting bit by bringing one of these dogs to a show. It’s all about liability, how well controlled is the working dog and how deep are your pockets if you bring a dangerous or questionable dog around the public.

Jenny July 27, 2010 at 2:50 am

To be in a dog show and compete in the conformation ring, the dog must be properly registered with the kennel club sponsoring the show, such as, in the US, the AKC.

The dog needs to be perfectly trained to stand still when told, to allow the judge to put his hands on the dog, and to trot alongside the handler at the appropriate times. He’s not allowed to even try to bite the judge.

The AKC does not recognize Schutzhund awards; it only recognizes its own awards, so they’ll never know if the dog has other skills or titles.

orangecnty06 July 27, 2010 at 2:50 am

Sure there are Rotts and German Shepherds in dog shows BUT they are trained to show. They will NOT allow any dog in the ring that is the least bit aggressive! As long as they meet all of the AKC standards having to do with color, height, weight and a well stacked stance…and trained to be calm submissive in the ring. They can participate.

Show Dawgie Luver July 27, 2010 at 2:50 am

Dog shows have different fields. Do you mean a Conformation which is the only event for ‘type’ or do you mean one of the other areas like, trial, tracking, obedience etc?

If you mean Conformation then I can help you.
In this area the dog is not only judged by how it looks but how it behaves (temperament). It’s temperament is at least 1/4 of it’s overall showing content.
So if it won’t let a judge look in it’s mouth, touch his privates, lift it’s tail and generally be touched all over then it certainly won’t be any good in the ring.
If it attacks another dog at a show it can actually be suspended from showing.
It’s training would be a major factor.

How do you know that these Ch. dogs are trained to attack and guard? I honestly have not met anyone at a Conformation show that has trained Attack and Guard dogs in the ring and I have been showing for around 20 years. I’m in Aus if that makes a difference.

Pink Teacup Pachyderm! July 27, 2010 at 2:50 am

If the dog displays ANY agression while in the ring or being handled it is AUTOMATICALLY disqualified.

If the dog is so well trained that it would only attack upon command, and will tolerate being handled by a judge.. yes, it could be shown. There are dogs that earn CH titles AND shutzhund titles.

No it doesnt have to be submissive.. and no, show dogs are not always these perfectly mannered dogs either. They know to trot about in the ring, they are trained to stack, and they are trained to tolerate being handled and touched. There are some that dont even know obedience commands.

At the end of the day, show dogs are still just dogs.. they do stuff that other dogs dog. They roll in poop, dig in the trash, beg at the table, and drink from the toilet.

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